Interview with Muriel Jones, M.D.

Scanning the horizon for "Trailblazing Leaders" I found a woman, who because of her modesty, may not be known to many outside her circle of associates and friends. Her modesty and commitment to shine the spotlight where she believes it should be shown are two qualities that prompted me to share her story about the "good news" she has created for thousands.

Muriel Jones is a Family Practice M.D. in Seattle at one of our major hospitals. She has served there for over 32 years. While some might have looked for their jobs to get easier with time, Muriel heard and saw things differently…

When did you first sense that you were called to this special way of leading in your organization? Ten years ago the message came to me from two directions and neither was very pleasant at the time. Our hospital had experienced growing numbers of Chinese people coming for care who seemed to speak no English. Given the language barrier they were more challenging to work with and many physicians were annoyed to have to serve them. At the same time sitting in the pew at my church became a rather disconcerting experience since we weekly were asked to love and care for our neighbors by our pastor. I began to feel like the sermons were directed at me, and that I was indeed being called to "care for my neighbor" no matter what their language.

 

It sounds like you were called to change the status quo. How did you do that? I decided I would learn to speak Cantonese. I sought out a Chinese tutor who and began paying him for weekly lessons. The first sign of progress did not come for me until after six months when I could properly say "I." Then things began to come a bit easier.

My training took place over four years as I took lessons, practiced speaking with patients and worked for six months at a Chinese clinic in Boston. Serving there helped me appreciate our own hospital system here in Puget Sound.

What results did you see? Once I was able to speak any Chinese decently, I saw my Chinese patients anxiety drop greatly. They began to smile when they heard me speaking in their own language. Those smiles meant and mean a great deal to me. Not only that, I know I am doing much better medicine with them. Improving the quality of treatment means a lot to me also!

Contrary to initial fears my Chinese patient population did not include just those who serve in low paying jobs but also lawyers, teachers, ministers, and restaurant owners as well as the relatives and friends of all I served. The news spread. Today about 15% of my clients speak Chinese and 10% of those only speak Chinese. Another interesting thing happened, too. When I began speaking even poor Chinese it gave those learning English permission to speak English, and that they do. While their English is not good, my Chinese is worse, and we laugh at each other.

What kind of support did you receive in making these changes? I mostly met resistance. Other physicians could not understand my wanting to invest that much of my time outside work in my patients. Ironically, the system did change in large part because I was spurred to bring about further changes in the system when I saw how well my patients were responding. When they felt they could safely express their needs it accelerated their progress. Even though a law was in place in the 1990s requiring translators, it was being overlooked. I decided that I was going to advocate for translators for all non-English speaking patients. The administration probably thought I was a real pest, but I learned whom to approach and I was very persistent. Today every patient that needs a translator has one.

You've shared some of the challenges you faced. What was the most difficult? Sticking with it through those initial years. You've heard the attitudes of my colleagues and my husband was puzzled too with all the time I was spending learning Chinese. Then we were traveling in Europe and we meet a couple of young Chinese women in Germany at a railroad station in the early hours of the morning. When they heard me speak Chinese their faces just lit up. From then on my husband didn't question my spending time learning Chinese.

What tips would you have for individuals wanting to make a difference and take on a new challenge?

  • Take a long-view of the situation. Keep working at it.
  • Accept that the final product, in my case, speaking useable Cantonese, may require more than you originally estimate.
  • One step at a time, and appreciate the small victories, smiles, along the way.

Using a Coach:
In thinking about how she would use a coach, Dr. Jones reflected that she would have them help her re-evaluate priorities and plans periodically or support her in a change of job or focus. What she would count on them to do is “ask the right questions.”

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